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Vivi Survivor's avatar

Sen Schiff, why are not the Democrats demanding that ICE stop and be dismantled? I insist that you keep the government shut down, but don’t just hold ACA subsidies as a bargaining chip. You must demand that ICE raids stop NOW!

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Michael Mundorff's avatar

The healthcare and SNAP subsidies would be great to restore, but the real issue is that the Democrats can’t and shouldn’t bargain with a proven liar. There is no enforcement to hold Agent Orange to a budget agreement or CR. He will just unconstitutionally impound whatever appropriations he doesn’t like. So Medicaid and SNAP will likely not see a dime of new money.

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Vivi Survivor's avatar

The ACA subsidies the Dems want are already in place and are only asking for an extension, so no new money or SNAP or Medicaid is involved.

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Michael Mundorff's avatar

The ACA premium subsidies expire at the end of this year, so to either extend them or renew them after expiration will require new money — i.e., appropriations not included in OBBBA. The SNAP and Medicaid provisions are on a rolling blackout schedule with expiration dates from right now until the end of next year (e.g., Medicaid work requirements) and will require new money beyond the OBBBA which is current law. Assuming Agent Orange and Project 2025 Vought don’t impound it.

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Vivi Survivor's avatar

So, let’s pay for subsidies with the $17trillion trump brought in! Or did he lie about that, too. You’re arguing semantics. I suspect you are more concerned with appearing correct than democracy.

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Michael Mundorff's avatar

Suspect what you like but don’t put words in my mouth. If it hasn’t already been appropriated, it’s new money.

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Vivi Survivor's avatar

Yeah, whatever. Semantics… just like I said and insisting on being right, just like the trump regime. You don’t convince me of anything but that you are suffering liw self esteem and are a bit of a bully. Why the hell do you care what I think? I am nobody to you, but convincing me you’re right seems very important to you. Very weak indeed.

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This Must Be Said's avatar

EXACTLY. WHERE’S THE $17T?

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Roger's avatar

Treat them the same way the previous tax cuts were handled, just part of the baseline

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Jerry L. Payne's avatar

Where have you been? The Democrats are out there. Who do you think is in DC, fighting for all of us to amend and stop the funding of that big, ugly bill?

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Nicole R. Falcone's avatar

Unfortunately, Sen. Adam Schiff and the Democrats in both houses do not the power to prevent any bizarre implementation Project 2025.

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Vivi Survivor's avatar

So what? Are you saying bc they are in the minority they should stay quiet and not use whatever bargaining power and legal power that Article 1 from the Constitution grants them? That makes no sense unless you want to just lay down and be a doormat or are MAGAT. Many of us have overcome what has looked like insurmountable obstacles and yet we remain alive, spirited and dedicated to democracy. Giving up is your thing, not ours.

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Stanley's avatar

Keep reading.

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Vivi Survivor's avatar

Keep reading what? More MAGAT talking points?

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This Must Be Said's avatar

DEMS DO NOT HAVE the NUMBERS to demand ANYTHING. LEARN ABOUT VOTES.

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Vivi Survivor's avatar

Wrong!!! Democrats can demand whatever the hell they want! It’s still a free country, for now, before you MAGATS give it all away to a criminal. Free speech and freedom to pursue happiness still exists in this nation, whether you like it or not, and every person in this nation can ask and demand whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want to! Naturally, in this world getting what we want or even deserve is not guaranteed, but our freedom to demand it still exists. So, kiss my ass, MF!

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This Must Be Said's avatar

blah blah.

MEDS.

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Just Dave 🕊️4 Justice's avatar

ICE / Military need to be arrested by the Governor!

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Heather.B's avatar

At this point, the media is fully complicit in not calling these actions out for what they are: this isn’t law and order, it’s authoritarian rule and Democracy is on the line.

Still think calling this a dictatorship is hyperbolic? 🤔

The MAGA cult is so dumb, they sincerely believe bone spurs is solving a real threat. It’s laughable and yet so troubling... 🤦‍♀️

EVERY one in ICE needs to be treated as if they are terrorists after Trump's regime is over. These ICE agents are J6ers, Proud Boys and MAGA masked thugs pretending to uphold the law. Their mission is obedience but their legacy will be SHAME. These are not soldiers of a nation. They are the REAL enemies of the people. Don’t call them law enforcement, call it what it is: state-sponsored terror. Do NOT cooperate with them.

Why are they masked? Masked to hide their shame? 🤔

They are the same as hooded KKK. Both are terrorists ashamed to show their faces and face the consequences of their actions.

Let the world see their faces. Snatch the masks of their heads. Expose them!

Defund The Abuse. NO more tax paying dollars to pay for hate!

How about wearing this "Keep the immigrants, deport the racists" t-shirt in front of all racists POS? 🤔 👇

https://libtees.dashery.com/products/34623496-keep-the-immigrants-t-shirt

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Laurie Cannon's avatar

I’ve sort of petered out on Indivisible. If they would organize all the workers that they bring out to do their No Kings marches to stop paying taxes, we might actually have an effective pushback. We have watched and confirmed that two-hundred-thousand demonstrators effect zero change at the top.

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Just Dave 🕊️4 Justice's avatar

The boycotting of Disney was very effective in getting Kimmel back on the air in 3 days.

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Laurie Cannon's avatar

I’m kind of ticked off on the Jimmy Kimmel thing. If you’re doing weekly protests for seven months, and the numbers are dropping, and then you suddenly see protests blowing up bc a TV talk show host got fired…I mean, what does it take to get the American people off their butts? Not the fact that America is falling to a dictator and immigrants are being brutally detained and disappeared…no, the firing of a TV celebrity. That’s effed-up America for you.

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katharine wood's avatar

Excellent point about the masks! And I've been wondering frim where all these ICE thugs came from...Pardoned Proud Boys and the like! Send them back to jail!

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Lisa Ethington's avatar

Love What you have to say. You Make so much SENSE!!! Keep it UP!!!

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San's avatar

This is unacceptable behavior to treat people. Donald Trump and his administration have overstep boundaries. Please do everything you can with legislation and lawsuits to stop him.

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Mary's avatar

Then, HOLD THE LINE, SCHIFF!! I am sorry, I have been a HUGE supporter of you and the rest of DEMOCRATIC Congress forever.....but I, for one, am getting impatient with anyone in Congress reporting all the shit that the Fascist politicians are doing with seemingly no plan to push back in a meaningful way NOW. We do not have the luxury of waiting until the midterms. WHAT ARE YOU DOING, RIGHT NOW, TO STOP THIS FACIST REGIME? 😡

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Vivi Survivor's avatar

Kristi Noem is a soulless ghoul who needs to face a 🔥ing squad.

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Ellie Alive In 25's avatar

No, she just needs to be somewhere where she isn't protected by a goon squad, and have her extensions yanked out, and then ridiculed. Laughter with these people is like light for cockroaches; they can't stand it.

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Gordon Shumway's avatar

the next Democratic administration (if there is one) should take over Sioux Falls....

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BizzyBuzz's avatar

DJT, Miller Vance, et al are the 4th Reich

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DW's avatar

Never have I ever

seen a whole cohesive group be re in carn ated...as a group

You?

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Jennie Kristel's avatar

Can the democrats stand up and demand ICE be removed? Trump wants a war and is baiting us. It astounds me that this can be happening, but the supreme court is mostly trump oriented so won't get far. So much illegality is happening. History will remember.

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DW's avatar

History will remember as long as we write it down and back it up or do longhand

We are the last bastion

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Valerie Hodgson's avatar

Apparently, he can do whatever he wants wherever he wants. Who will stop him? The Supreme Court? Ha.

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DW's avatar

Oh VF...who WILL stop him???maybeGod,If he exists ??

will speak to him. I no longer know god very well but She/He could whisper to the prez amid the carbonation bubbles of each Diet Coke he swigs...He already wants to go to heaven 🪽👼😳😹imagine his concern!

So, familiarize yourselves with nspm7 and chose words wisely.

Keep posting scripture quotes, (antidote to nspm7) poetry you like, art, or vid shorts inbetween politics and really awesome nature posts. Do a ^ratio of Goodness v Evil posting routine. Flood the field with good. When in doubt stick to dogs & cats.

And may I say Re: Today--thank you Sen. Schiff and

Alright !! Sen.Durban!! today for his comment to uknow who.

"Eventually

You will..." I can't wait for the body language readers to post on her BL. 😽😸

I know all this is terribly frustrating to those who listen & care, so also let's not shoot the messengers who are open to our comments and ideas. And please let's have discussions with genz or whomever. We really really need to work on the upcoming voters turnout. At very least make sure people near you have rides to polls. It is not too early to take the temperature on your street about this, with follow-ups as it nears.Who knows What voting will look like...

Until then - kid gloves ?? maybe we should do Silent Protests, (taped mouths?) &Big Signs. I'm thinking painters tape or lite medical paper tape will hurt less...we'll be so incredibly calm & quiet there will be no excuse to declare anything marshal if you catch my teargas drift.

Or Everyone think of this/feedback?

What if each city shuttered when invaded. ? Stock up meals & water on hand now. buy extra each week. Could we also for those that must- call police for escort to & from work? Imagine if they are flooded with such requests?

I am permanently disorganized &..I am...rambling in the style of the prez i dential weave. Sorry

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Julia Janzen's avatar

It's YOU and the rest of Congress along with the Supreme Court Justices jobs to keep this type of corruption in check. Quit telling us about it and DO SOMETHING!

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julie ranahan's avatar

Chicago apt building was in foreclosure with Wells Fargo. Now trashed and vacant, it’s bargain for some Venture Capitalist

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Gordon Shumway's avatar

you mean "vulture capitalist"....

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DW's avatar

Grrrrr

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Leigh Horne's avatar

Abuse of our troops, our bodies, our minds and our sense of ourselves as citizens of a free country. Time for a rethink.

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DW's avatar

Can we sue for cruel & unusual and trauma to all citizens?

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Leigh Horne's avatar

Dunno. But there ought to be a law.

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Sharon Gibson's avatar

Rediculous and unlawful! Stop this NOW! We all need to step up against this unlawful misuse of our freedoms!

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Robin's avatar

Just say NO. The capitulators are allowing this. Attend a NO Kings protest Oct 18. They will be held all over the country.

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Aurelia Navarro's avatar

Portland will not receive this well

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D Thomas's avatar

I keep hearing the same words, "we have to" and I still see ICE presence in LA in MacArthur Park in Oregon in Chicago.

I know it takes time to work through these conflicts, but I feel and I know so many others that we are just treading water. It seems like every day there's some new bomb that they throw at us to see what is going to stick.

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DW's avatar

That feeling of going under after treading water...That is part of their plan

We need flotation devices. Take a breather. Make a small support group and call one another every third day or something. Gather at your public libraries while we still have them, weekly or monthly.

We can not afford to burn out-- they are counting on us frazzling.

Don't .

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Linda  Greenleaf's avatar

So if it is illegal, morally unacceptable, what is being done about it??? Anything??? 😢

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